tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4444762441887107389.post7067329944049300537..comments2024-03-07T09:25:09.142-08:00Comments on Long-Forgotten: Two TaboosHBG2http://www.blogger.com/profile/05073387557562504315noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4444762441887107389.post-19261350103534792952023-10-05T11:56:16.648-07:002023-10-05T11:56:16.648-07:00This same logic also occurs in Fantasia; you may n...This same logic also occurs in Fantasia; you may notice the souls Chernabog summons are from nooses, moats, & graves that are not on sacred ground, lacking crosses or other symbols of religion, while the headstones with crosses do not have phantasms rise from them. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4444762441887107389.post-90256897237105641702023-06-11T15:22:51.363-07:002023-06-11T15:22:51.363-07:00Meanwhile, Tom Sawyer Island does feature child de...Meanwhile, Tom Sawyer Island does feature child death with the Llewlyn Lloyd tombstone, but this isn't played for any humor, just as a detail of the western/Appalachian setting of the attraction. Said headstone would later be removed because the sight of it was too sad. As for Fi Fi, the thing is that in Christian theology it is insinuated that animals lack the immortal souls of humankind, which would insinuate why no animal ghosts appear on the ride (a comic book story did have animal ghosts though) itself either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4444762441887107389.post-466334566908518652020-11-17T09:59:51.614-08:002020-11-17T09:59:51.614-08:00I've been trying to find a good picture of the...I've been trying to find a good picture of their chandelier and have been unsuccessful all around. Do you have any good ones that show her? I can't tell from the few I'm able to find whether she is a little girl or not.Jake R.http://1222.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4444762441887107389.post-51378272172483995772019-02-06T13:08:26.662-08:002019-02-06T13:08:26.662-08:00The principle of no ghosts of children didn't ...The principle of no ghosts of children didn't make the oversea journey to Paris. There's a little girl in purple dress sitting on the chandelier in Phantom Manor's ballroom. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4444762441887107389.post-86320757990423869042016-06-05T05:47:14.477-07:002016-06-05T05:47:14.477-07:00Perhaps it's a deathday party instead of a bir...Perhaps it's a deathday party instead of a birthday party. That'd explain the eleven candles.Achille Talonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11636339293230261724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4444762441887107389.post-81494511611883897372015-11-03T08:17:51.195-08:002015-11-03T08:17:51.195-08:00No, X intended "Master Gracey" as a trib...No, X intended "Master Gracey" as a tribute to Yale Gracey, nothing more and nothing less. Yale was indeed a master of special effects, and that fully accounts for the word choice.HBG2https://www.blogger.com/profile/05073387557562504315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4444762441887107389.post-72804498438192229832015-11-02T17:52:36.806-08:002015-11-02T17:52:36.806-08:00I remember reading an article a few years back, so...I remember reading an article a few years back, somewhere, that tried to prove that Master Gracey was not the Ageing man, or the Ghost Host, by claiming that X. Atencio intended the "Master" on the tombstone to imply that he was too young to be called "Mr. Gracey,” not that he was the Master of the house. Now of course the Ageing Man, the Ghost Host, and Master Gracey were never intended to be the same character, but did Atencio write “Master” to imply that this was tomb of a child, and if so, does it break the Taboo?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4444762441887107389.post-66040547833037490582014-02-19T21:19:39.280-08:002014-02-19T21:19:39.280-08:00You can't see it, but it tells you what the Im...You can't see it, but it tells you what the Imagineers thought they were dealing with. Post-pubescent = no longer a child. "Childhood" ends long before 18 in the moral sense that I am using the term. Even a dead 13-year-old would not contradict my thesis.HBG2https://www.blogger.com/profile/05073387557562504315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4444762441887107389.post-34842794634727352652014-02-19T20:37:51.153-08:002014-02-19T20:37:51.153-08:00That looks like how a 12-13 year old might blow ou...That looks like how a 12-13 year old might blow out her candles. She's just a well developed one. And when she's dressed, you don't notice that at all. I'm still convinced she's a child.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4444762441887107389.post-59069858590503011382014-02-11T13:20:31.757-08:002014-02-11T13:20:31.757-08:00Here's a blueprint. I think you might have a ...Here's a blueprint. I think you might have a difficult time convincing someone that it depicts a child.<br />http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y32/danolson/vbhj_zps718d0f62.jpgHBG2https://www.blogger.com/profile/05073387557562504315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4444762441887107389.post-82441235789125539952014-02-11T12:06:53.806-08:002014-02-11T12:06:53.806-08:00After riding it again a few weeks ago, I counted 1...After riding it again a few weeks ago, I counted 12 or 13 candles on the cake. I think the number of candles on a cake is usually a fair measure of one's age. Along with the fact that she is called "Birthday GIRL," I still say she's a child. Again, just my opinion. Really enjoy reading your articles by the way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4444762441887107389.post-82578827289211628282014-01-18T10:03:43.288-08:002014-01-18T10:03:43.288-08:00She doesn't look like a child to me.
http://i2...She doesn't look like a child to me.<br />http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y32/danolson/mansion11_zpsa437c099.jpgHBG2https://www.blogger.com/profile/05073387557562504315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4444762441887107389.post-37557537488963282952014-01-18T03:26:31.206-08:002014-01-18T03:26:31.206-08:00Is the Birthday Girl not a girl? I've always ...Is the Birthday Girl not a girl? I've always assumed she was a child, like Hannelore commented before me. Looking at photos and Disney pins of her, it looks like her cake has about 11 candles(hard to count for sure). I say that makes her a child's ghost, but that's just, well, like, my opinion, man.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4444762441887107389.post-68440916907156442582013-12-29T21:01:20.706-08:002013-12-29T21:01:20.706-08:00Welcome, Michelle.
There is much sense in that ana...Welcome, Michelle.<br />There is much sense in that analysis, especially in the recognition that the safest course is to avoid a stance that either offends unnecessarily or endorses too specifically a particular "brand" of Christianity (and we may as well be plain that <i>that</i> is the religion Walt needed to deal with. I don't think he sat up at night worrying about inadvertently offending Zoroastrians).HBG2https://www.blogger.com/profile/05073387557562504315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4444762441887107389.post-17632876663196178552013-12-29T18:29:48.989-08:002013-12-29T18:29:48.989-08:00Hey, I just found your blog, and I'm loving it...Hey, I just found your blog, and I'm loving it! <br /><br />Here is a little more insight into Disney's stance not to use elements of Christianity:<br /><br />"Walt Disney always called himself a Christian, but his biographers agree that he was skeptical about organized religion and rarely set foot inside a church. He insisted that any narrow portrayal of Protestant Christianity (or any religion, for that matter) in his animated features was box-office poison, especially in lucrative, overseas markets. More broadly, Walt's fear was that explicit religiosity might needlessly exclude young viewers, while a watered-down version might at the same time offend the devout. Yet the studio's founding genius also understood that, from the ancient Greeks to the Brothers Grimm, successful storytellers have needed supernatural intervention agents to resolve plots. So, Walt decided, Disney's cartoon protagonists would appeal not to Judeo-Christian religion but to magic, which was more palatable around the ticket-buying world. (It's no coincidence that Disney's marquee theme park is called The Magic Kingdom.)"<br /><br />From this: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052748703580904574638143338424878#articleTabs%3Darticle<br /><br />Cheers!Michelle Clayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13740702104128263822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4444762441887107389.post-66761469269893011362013-06-03T16:33:56.199-07:002013-06-03T16:33:56.199-07:00I wonder whether a subtext existed for the reasons...I wonder whether a subtext existed for the reasons behind omitting crosses from the graveyards; to wit: the imperative of giving people a "proper" burial, so as to guard against roaming (i.e., haunting) and let the departeds' spirits lie at rest. Back in the day, "proper" burials meant *Christian* burials, evidenced with grave markers bearing crosses. The same went for burials in other faiths, in that a specific token (Star of David, Celtic cairn, etc.) would somehow designate that burial ground as hallowed, and therefore set aside from the other, ordinary earth right next to it. Perhaps the HG's graveyards, lacking religious symbols of protection, are more likely to foment haunting. <br /><br />I can imagine the uproar that might have ensued, were ghosts to arise from Christian (or other religion) graves, because such a situation would mock certain religions' ideas of the spirit going immediately to heaven (or other heavenly realm, or back into another new body, or etc.) upon the body's expiration.<br /><br />- FanOfWaltAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4444762441887107389.post-593139182759964282012-06-02T09:35:29.577-07:002012-06-02T09:35:29.577-07:00The filigree along the top of the ballroom hearse ...The filigree along the top of the ballroom hearse is a row of crosses too, so you <i>can</i> find them. They didn't take the matter to an absurd extreme, they just made sure there were none in the graveyards, and elsewhere they are rare. The cross is so commonly used in heraldry and is so commonly associated with crusaders (as you point out) that they evidently didn't think that the one you mention was anything to worry about. It looks "knight-ish."HBG2https://www.blogger.com/profile/05073387557562504315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4444762441887107389.post-44941721406329487432012-06-01T22:29:19.387-07:002012-06-01T22:29:19.387-07:00Both DL and WDW mansions, suits of armour have a c...Both DL and WDW mansions, suits of armour have a cross (cross pattée to be more precise, worn by crusaders and templars) on the shield.<br /><br />The other design on the shield is diferent one both (DL has a lion, WDW has a griffin) but why keep the cross?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4444762441887107389.post-82075777400991604542011-12-30T14:57:01.603-08:002011-12-30T14:57:01.603-08:00Why thank ye. While I'm revisiting an old blo...Why thank ye. While I'm revisiting an old blog posting, I can take the opportunity of pointing out that the Alice books have quite a number of child-death jokes in them, so you don't have to go as dark as Edward Gorey to find such humor.HBG2https://www.blogger.com/profile/05073387557562504315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4444762441887107389.post-85683516200288686602011-12-30T13:32:39.046-08:002011-12-30T13:32:39.046-08:00I totally always thought the birthday girl was a c...I totally always thought the birthday girl was a child...I've been on the ride at least once a year since I was a baby but never noticed she was an adult! I am loving this blog!Annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04882829302132048986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4444762441887107389.post-60912676746476778282011-07-14T14:48:11.080-07:002011-07-14T14:48:11.080-07:00OK, that makes sense. Thanks, and great post as al...OK, that makes sense. Thanks, and great post as always!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4444762441887107389.post-43694353419442332142011-07-13T14:01:15.931-07:002011-07-13T14:01:15.931-07:00It's actually a fleur-de-lis on a long stem: ...It's actually a fleur-de-lis on a long stem: http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y32/danolson/Blog%20stuff/cros.jpgHBG2https://www.blogger.com/profile/05073387557562504315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4444762441887107389.post-931982666049011792011-07-13T13:09:03.742-07:002011-07-13T13:09:03.742-07:00What about the WDW exterior? Up on the the really ...What about the WDW exterior? Up on the the really tall tower, there's an indent or something, and it looks an awful lot like a cross. Trust me, it's really obvious.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4444762441887107389.post-88991131372584568492011-04-15T21:24:53.749-07:002011-04-15T21:24:53.749-07:00And they could avoid the problem by simply leaving...And they could avoid the problem by simply leaving the acknowledged masterpieces alone. Go make new masterpieces.HBG2https://www.blogger.com/profile/05073387557562504315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4444762441887107389.post-22187203124815958182011-04-15T21:02:22.106-07:002011-04-15T21:02:22.106-07:00Indeed, what a shame. I wish the imagineers had a...Indeed, what a shame. I wish the imagineers had applied the same vigor in their studies of the Humanities, and even comparative religion, as they apparently did to their engineering courses. <br /><br />Subtle changes, perhaps, yet thematically weighty nonetheless. And the parks are all the poorer as a result.Jameshttp://twilightnewssite.comnoreply@blogger.com