tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4444762441887107389.post3345098017795483872..comments2024-03-07T09:25:09.142-08:00Comments on Long-Forgotten: The Sea Captain and the Bride . . . That You Never KnewHBG2http://www.blogger.com/profile/05073387557562504315noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4444762441887107389.post-13885611581513426082022-03-20T11:45:37.541-07:002022-03-20T11:45:37.541-07:00I don't know if you know about the Haunted Man...I don't know if you know about the Haunted Mansion movie that never was. That movie would have been closer to some of Ken Anderson's ideas about the owner of the mansion being a pirate. For some reason, this version of the movie didn't make it and instead Eddie Murphy's The Haunted Mansion got made instead. I read the script for this unmade Haunted Mansion movie on the doombuggies.com website. Some how I think you would have liked this version of the movie better. This unmade movie pays homage to Rolly Crump by giving his last name to one of the characters. Just thought you'd be interested.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13844771305601566121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4444762441887107389.post-57661564576076791692020-12-15T04:22:56.995-08:002020-12-15T04:22:56.995-08:00Another fantastic post that delves into the histor...Another fantastic post that delves into the history of the mansion we never got. As much as I would love to have seen this come to life, the early versions of the mansion would not have been as fun and jolly. There's no partying ghosts here, which I think is partly what makes the HM a success - it's different from your average haunted house in that way, whereas the older versions are more 'standard fare'. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16232449204922767228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4444762441887107389.post-35464929707856719222020-12-11T17:20:12.186-08:002020-12-11T17:20:12.186-08:00I took the "heads thru holes, look into mirro...I took the "heads thru holes, look into mirror and reflect self" bit to be some variation of the gag that appeared in the Sleeping Beauty Castle walkthrough with Maleficent's Goons. The bit where guests would peer through peep-holes and see their own eyes reflected back at them as the eyes of the Goons. I could be wrong, and I'm not entirely sure how it would fit into the context of the story, but I can't think of anything else it could mean. He could even have just been jotting down a gag he wanted to use with no concrete idea yet of how to incorporate it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4444762441887107389.post-48198365367532458312020-08-21T21:56:46.141-07:002020-08-21T21:56:46.141-07:00Wow wow wow! Who knew after so many years more and...Wow wow wow! Who knew after so many years more and more new information would continue to slowly trickle out of an attraction that opened in '69. With the current situation we're all in right now its been endlessly comforting to return to a subject I more or less retired from since the Interactive Queue addition. Thank you for your continued efforts on "Mansion-ology"; I've gotten a good deal of enjoyment going through the back catalog of the past few years' posts! <br /><br />- The late MasterGracey13MasterGracey13noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4444762441887107389.post-14736733023821626722020-07-31T14:27:36.688-07:002020-07-31T14:27:36.688-07:00This is fascinating stuff, i love it.
Thanks very...This is fascinating stuff, i love it.<br /><br />Thanks very much indeed.<br /><br />JGJGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15456196709930408585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4444762441887107389.post-25006316370977565292020-07-31T11:03:33.723-07:002020-07-31T11:03:33.723-07:00What has happened is unfortunately the same thing ...What has happened is unfortunately the same thing that happens to all horror icons: after they become overly familiar, they become camp. It was an incredibly short trip from "Frankenstein" to "Abbott and Costello meet Frankenstein." Or take the "Psycho" sequels. Or any number of other examples. It is regrettable but probably inevitable that the HM would tread the same path. And as long as there are fans that eat it up, the trend will continue. With PLQ I hoped to at least make people aware that it represents decadence.HBG2https://www.blogger.com/profile/05073387557562504315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4444762441887107389.post-5999680256607524822020-07-31T10:38:59.554-07:002020-07-31T10:38:59.554-07:00I have been preaching against Constance since she ...I have been preaching against Constance since she was first thrust upon us. I hate that she even has a name, much less a backstory! That and the addition of the horrid interactive queue at WDW make me really wonder if the "creative types" at Disney are really that bad, or if they're just phoning it in. Very very sad...Stu29573https://www.blogger.com/profile/11476618457938961470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4444762441887107389.post-2230086929321488812020-07-30T18:56:53.826-07:002020-07-30T18:56:53.826-07:00Thanks! And yes, I agree about "story" k...Thanks! And yes, I agree about "story" killing a thing. I think Constance is by far the most boring of the HM brides. Leave things unstated and unknown, please!<br />HBG2https://www.blogger.com/profile/05073387557562504315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4444762441887107389.post-86631371484698950502020-07-30T15:00:51.074-07:002020-07-30T15:00:51.074-07:00I somehow thought that this blog was going to be o...I somehow thought that this blog was going to be on some kind of hiatus, but you’ve been producing so many new posts. Wonderful! <br /><br />This “mega-post” is no different - the sheer amount of research (including the images) is pretty staggering. I love the Haunted Mansion that we got, but it is so intriguing to imagine one of these early incarnations actually being built, with the love and attention to detail that we would expect from Walt and his boys. I understand why the walk-thru concept wouldn’t have been practical, but it also sounds like a lot of fun. <br /><br />On one hand the elaborate story of the evil sea captain and his evil-or-innocent bride is intriguing, but I can’t help feeling as if the life blood of Haunted Mansion fandom is the ability to interpret unexplained characters and details in order to create endless theories. Once they’ve given us too much detail, all of the speculation and theorizing is eliminated. I compare it to the original “Alien” film, which raised so many tantalizing mysteries, only to have Ridley Scott solve those mysteries in the sequels, leaving the fans to shrug in disappointment.<br /><br />I’ve seen a number of Imagineers claiming that the “story” is the most KEY consideration for any attraction, and that their attention to this story is what separates Disney from “those other guys”, but I disagree wholeheartedly. <br /><br />What else is out there to be discovered about the “early Mansion”? Hopefully a lot!<br /><br />Sorry for rambling, and thank you for this great post.Major Pepperidgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09843598326995116014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4444762441887107389.post-44016191680891527552020-07-21T14:59:43.025-07:002020-07-21T14:59:43.025-07:00Oops, fixed it. Thanks!Oops, fixed it. Thanks!HBG2https://www.blogger.com/profile/05073387557562504315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4444762441887107389.post-5257574764611715522020-07-21T14:52:26.427-07:002020-07-21T14:52:26.427-07:00What a joy it is to come back and find a massive p...What a joy it is to come back and find a massive post on your blog! A quick editorial note, the Pepper's Ghost effect appears in Shanghai, not Hong Kong!<br /><br />Looking forward to Bloodmere Manor.Ian Anoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4444762441887107389.post-14062331920740859012020-07-21T12:31:13.599-07:002020-07-21T12:31:13.599-07:00Obviously fascinating.
This is also (heresy, I k...Obviously fascinating. <br /><br />This is also (heresy, I know) giving me a new appreciation of the SLG comics, whose backstory for the Mansion turn out to be closer to the mark than I thought. Most striking to me is the fact that the framing device of the Master Gracey story in those books was the Ghost Host telling it all to a <i>treasure-hunter</i>, come to look for old Captain Blood's bounty. (The idea of pirate treasure buried somewhere in the Mansion also resurfaced in the <i>Disney Kingdoms</i> comics, but I think they just got it from their SLG predecessors.) Since, as you say, the hidden treasure idea is nowhere to be seen in the most widely-reproduced versions of the old Captain Gore story, I do wonder…<br /><br />It certainly puts a new spin on the old "who is the Ghost Host/who is the hanging man" story to have the Commodore's ghostly voice ring out as lightning flashes to reveal the hanging corpse — only for the corpse to not be <i>his</i>. We've got a Ghost Host who is in fact the possibly-wicked Sea Captain (what we'd now call Master Gracey)… except he's not <i>really</i> the Host, and he's <i>not</i> the Hanging Man either! This is maddening. <br /><br />Speaking of connections between the Sea Captain and the Ghost Host, I can't help but note that the possible depiction of an "evil eye" on the Changing Portrait of Captain Gore is very close to what you find on the Hatchet Man portrait they eventually went with as a physical depiction of the Ghost Host and potential former Master of the House… I don't want to read <i>too</i> much into it, since it's, of course, one of the features that Davis's Hatchet Man borrows directly from E.C.'s Old Witch. But interesting, all the same. <br /><br />More broadly, it seems to me like those twin Changing Portraits of the Captain and Priscilla had divergent descendants; the actual Changing Portraits on one hand, the Sinister Eleven on the other hand (their transformed faces just <i>leer</i> at you like the Eleven do, instead of something more extreme/monstrous), and if you've still got a limb to spare, the Stretching Portraits, inasmuch as they are prominent portraits of former inhabitants of the House, to which the guide calls the guests' attention near the beginning of the show. Achille Talonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11636339293230261724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4444762441887107389.post-50692467590726590092020-07-21T00:44:31.454-07:002020-07-21T00:44:31.454-07:00Whoa, Nellie! A ton and a half of fascinating stuf...Whoa, Nellie! A ton and a half of fascinating stuff here! Almost too much to take in at one sitting.<br /><br />Although different in the details, those first two summaries from Surrell and Korkis put me vaguely in mind of the story of Joseph Curwen and Eliza Tillinghast from H.P. Lovecraft’s <i>The Case of Charles Dexter Ward.</i><br />Melissahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06169920944565828337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4444762441887107389.post-86069654979184152252020-07-20T20:56:27.051-07:002020-07-20T20:56:27.051-07:00A whole lot to digest here, but the thought of the...A whole lot to digest here, but the thought of the bride flying out the window and accidently falling in a well is comedy gold! Bravo!stu29573https://www.blogger.com/profile/01965083590581106701noreply@blogger.com