Things You're Just Supposed to Know

Most of the time, Long-Forgotten assumes that readers are already familiar with basic facts
about the Haunted Mansion. If you wanna keep up with the big boys, I suggest you check out
first of all the website, After that, the best place to go is Jason Surrell's book,
The Haunted Mansion: Imagineering a Disney Classic (NY: Disney Editions; 2015). That's the
re-named third edition of The Haunted Mansion: From the Magic Kingdom to the Movies (NY:
Disney Editions, 2003; 2nd ed. 2009). Also essential reading is Jeff Baham's The Unauthorized
Story of Walt Disney's Haunted Mansion (USA: Theme Park Press, 2014; 2nd ed. 2016).

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Saturday, January 24, 2015

Walt Disney's Enchanted Creepy Room

Updated March 26, 2020

If not for the massive interruption caused by the 1964 New York World's Fair projects, the Haunted Mansion could have been completed and opened before the end of 1963, and if it had, it would have followed a template designed by Rolly Crump and Yale Gracey and would have been a very different kind of attraction. In an earlier post I suggested that if you want to see how that version of the Haunted Mansion would have functioned, check out the Enchanted Tiki Room, which opened in 1963.

pic by Huluhulu

The Haunted Mansion was going to be a walk-thru with maybe six or seven rooms and a two or three minute presentation in each one before you moved on to the next. It would have been not unlike a series of short Tiki Room shows. We know that Rolly was enamored with the idea of a weird, surreal house that was itself alive, like the bewitched castle in "Beauty and the Beast" as the tale is told in Jean Cocteau's La Belle et la Bête (1946). I pointed out in that earlier post that if you simply exchange "tiki god magic" for "ghosts," the Tiki Room (minus the birds) is pretty close in concept to the sort of thing Rolly had in mind for the Mansion. And remember, too, that Rolly did a lot of work on the Tiki Room.

This post is simply going to explore the parallels in a little more detail.

The Gods Have Been Angered

One reason why the thought experiment of substituting "tiki god magic" for "ghosts" feels so easy and sounds so right is that the Imagineers already did it for us. An important transitional segment in the Tiki Room show is derived not from Hawaiian luaus or Don Ho floor shows but from the haunted house tradition. At one point the room is suddenly plunged into darkness as thunder rolls and lightning flashes in the windows, accompanied by heavy rain. In case you don't get the message, the birds tell you that the "gods have been angered." It only lasts a few seconds, but it's definitely supposed to give you a little jolt.

Faux thunderstorms outside the windows were a prominent element in Ken Anderson's 1957-58 plans for the DL Ghost House, but there is no need to appeal to that in order to explain what we see in this part of the Tiki Room show. When it comes to haunted houses, stormy windows are even more of a hoary old cliché than "hoary old cliché." All I'm saying here is that the Tiki Room itself makes the point that there isn't a whole lot of difference between an enchanted building and a haunted house.

As a matter of fact, the rain effect you see in the Tiki Room was invented by Yale for the Haunted Mansion. It's number 83 on a list of 89 effects he created (or wanted to create) for the HM: "Ghostly rain (shredded plastic)." In case you don't know, "shredded plastic" is exactly how the Tiki Room rain effect is accomplished.

From Cocteau to Cockatoos

In discussing La Belle et la Bête, Rolly frequently refers to the living faces carved into the fireplace hearth in the Beast's castle.
This is the sort of thing Rolly wanted to see in the Mansion:

Incidentally, Rolly wasn't the only one at Disney who liked the idea of a creepy carved face in a capital or corbel reacting to the immediate environment like a living person. You'll find this happening in Sleeping Beauty (1959), although it's easy to miss. It's not merely the fact that Maleficent's castle is a rather gargoylish affair, with lots of humanoid corbels and capitals. That by itself is no big deal.

But how many of you have ever noticed this? In the sequence dealing with Prince Philip's escape from the
castle, the faces on the doorposts leading to Maleficent's bower change from stern and angry at the beginning
of the scene to shocked and frightened after Mal's goons fail to prevent the escape and her pet is petrified.

And now you know where I got the faces I used in the last post.
There are other differences between the two backgrounds, like the size of the stone blocks and the vanished face inside the doorway,
but those are mere and trivial discrepancies, whereas the changed facial expressions fit the story and are undoubtedly deliberate.

Was artist Eyvand Earle inspired here by the Cocteau film? Well . . . it's not exactly impossible, I suppose, but I wouldn't push for anything stronger than that. At the same time, I won't deny that it's fun to compare these Sleeping Beauty background paintings with the fireplace in La Belle:

But back to topic. What about the Haunted Mansion? Well, the gag is there, isn't it? Rolly likes to talk about how the Cocteau busts blow smoke out of their noses and mouths, and they do that once or twice, but for the most part all they do is (1) turn their heads to watch Belle or her father as they walk by, and (2) change their expressions. The "follow-you" busts do the first and the singing busts do the second. Both of these effects are Yale inventions and would certainly have been used in the Crump-Gracey HM. Is there anything to indicate how the Imagineers might have employed this gag further? Perhaps. Some concept art seems to reflect the wilder, weirder Mansion that Rolly and Yale had in mind, and in one sketch you see faces that may well have been planned as animatronic, presumably doing the sorts of things you see in the two Beauties (i.e. and the Beast and Sleeping). We've looked at this stretching gallery artwork several times before . . .

. . . but this time look more closely at these:

If indeed these faces were to be animate, then the parallels with Cocteau (and
Sleeping Beauty) would be obvious enough, but let's not overlook the Tiki Room
(or "Tropical Serenade," as they called it in Orlando until 1997).

Those faces in the corbels/capitals of the stretching room sketch look kind of like squashed tikis to me.

That's a bit of a stretch, I admit.

If you think about it, most tikis are a little sinister in appearance, not to mention surreal, or even downright scary, so it shouldn't surprise us that you can find common ground between them and the Haunted Mansion. How much conceptual daylight is there, really, between, say, Rolly's concept art for Tangaroa and certain specimens from the Museum of the Weird? Remember, kids, "tiki" rhymes with "freaky."

And off we go. Once you start looking for visual echoes between Mansion art and the Tiki Room, you find them. How many of them are "really there" and how many are just your imagination is another matter. Since we're dealing with people who relied on their artistic instincts and worked on multiple projects at the same time, one hesitates to dismiss such echoes as entirely coincidental, but if you insist on something more solid than that, once again I'm going to beg off, like I did with the Sleeping Beauty backgrounds. We wander among shadows, children. Remember our discussion of the possible cross-pollination between the boat ride version of the HM and the POTC in the previous post? Yeah, well, it's like that.

These two examples are visually arresting but probably belong in the "coincidence" file:

left pic from

In that gallery sketch, there are sinister faces in the center and at the top of each wall.
It's vague, I know, but just by virtue of the location, I'm reminded of the drumming tikis. A little.

bottom pic by Trader Chris

We're on more solid ground with the totem poles built
at the inside corners of the room. Marc Davis designed
those. Here at last are moving faces carved into a wall.

pic from

pic by Humuhumu

Interestingly enough, we still encounter them in what is essentially a columnar design,
like La Bête and Sleeping Beauty and the figures in the stretching gallery concept art.

For whatever it's worth:

The chanting totem poles have always been my favorite things in the Tiki Room, and they're even more fun when we recognize that they are about as close as we'll ever get to something we probably would have seen in a Haunted Mansion that never was, if you follow me.

Flower Power

Another point of contact between the Tiki Room and the Mansion is botanical. Rolly loved him some man-eating plants.

It's pretty easy to visualize how this thing would or could have worked by looking at the singing flowers in the Tiki Room.

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Sure, they sing prettily, but I've always thought they were kind of creepy.
No eyes. At least the singing flowers in Alice in Wonderland had eyes.

pic by Humuhumu

The Birds?

Someone is bound to point out the similarity between José in the Tiki Room and the Raven in the Mansion, who like he was going to be your emcee at one point. But I'm not sure a raven was ever part of the Crump-Gracey version of the HM. True, a raven figure had already been introduced previously in Ken Anderson's artwork, but the bird seems out of place in the surreal version between Anderson and Atencio, and I'm not aware of any plans to use him. Can you really imagine a normal-looking raven in the Museum of the Weird? or in those flaming red "Great Hall" paintings by Marc Davis? Now if you give the raven seven eyes, a pig nose, and trade in one wing for some tentacles, then maybe we can talk. Of course, we can credit the Tiki Room for showing us that audio-animatronic birds work pretty well. At least mechanically, the Mansion's raven is but a footnote to the earlier attraction.

Until next time, Aloha, Foolish Mortals.


Okay, I'll just say this. The last post was wildly popular (by LF standards), and it brought in a lot of new traffic. I suspect that some of you think this current post is a little lame by comparison. Hey, they can't all be the Mona Lisa. Anyway, rest assured that the next post is pretty gosh-darn cool, if I do say so myself, featuring some things that have been there all along and yet no one has ever noticed. And I promise I won't make you wait two months for it.


  1. As someone who is called upon to crank out another message, week after week, plus newsletter articles, reports, etc. periodically BUT finds it extremely difficult to update my blogs on a regular basis, I cannot complain about the timeliness or lack thereof, of your posts. I can say, without doubt, that I enjoy reading every one, and going back to find the updates in the previous posts as new information has come to light. You're right - they can't all be masterstrokes, but that's okay by me. They don't have to be. Your choice of content continues to be spot-on, and your consistent striving for quality comes through in each post. Thanks again for a stimulating read. Aloha, indeed! Mahalo & Muah ha ha haaa!

  2. We really enjoy your wonderful (and very well researched) posts on Disneyland....
    Sadly we have never gotten to go and will not get to ... health not its "best" ( we are terminal)...
    A great Weekend to you and yours...
    ...the "Hat Box Ghost"... we knew very little on this "iconic" Ghostie... but thanks to your Great Blog (and Doom Buggy) we have learned So very much ... our deepest thanks for that...

    1. Thanks. It has always impressed me that among the fans of the HM are those who have never seen the attraction and may never do so. I've heard from several such people over the years. In its own way, it's an amazing tribute.

  3. Oh - have you seen the singing Tikis/Totems singing at Mystic Manor in HKDL? No ghosts in that version of the 'manor', but spirits have animated the inanimate objects throughout the manor, including the tikis and some fierce little warrior statues.

    1. Yeah, MM "quotes" heavily from both the Haunted Mansion and the Tiki Room. It does seem to straddle the fence between the two concepts, demonstrating in a way how similar they are.

    2. Great read! With all these crossovers and influences, do you think you will ever gather your thoughts on this site about the distant, distant cousin that is Mystic Manor? I think many of us would be interested to know your view on the matter, now that the thrill of a *new* attraction has worn off. It looks like it will be staying in its current state for awhile.

    3. I don't really have much to say about MM. There is obviously a web of connections being spun between it, the Tokyo version of the Tower of Terror, and the HM. For that reason, the "quotations" in MM of older classic attractions don't strike me as decadent self-referentiality, like the WDW queue. In the case of MM, they are creating new connections between the imaginary worlds of various rides, which is different from paying tribute to rides AS RIDES, as the theme-park products of much-admired Imagineers.

      I don't have much appetite for "cute monkey" characters, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that Hong Kong audiences may eat it up. I hope the heavy use of 2-D projections at MM works. That is, I hope it all looks sufficiently 3-D in person, something you can't tell from video.

      And that's about all I have to say about Mystic Manor.

    4. Great post as usually, love reading it.
      I always admired Disney. I'm from chinese origins. I first visited the haunted mansion after my grandparents moved from China and loved it. The notion of ghosts (and haunted houses) in China is very different from America, so the two houses are very different... About the "eating the monkey" joke (my grandparents fathers passed starvation, a bowl of rice wasn't enough in that difficult times) , I'm sorry but I feel offended, and also the "cute monkey" connects very well with the end scene of MM the chinese Monkey King ("Sun Wukong") beloved by many chinese...

    5. Thank you for the insights! It's good to hear a perspective from a culture not my own, especially when the subject of the conversation is something placed in that other culture. As for the " 'eating the monkey' joke," I meant no offense, and this itself is a case of cultural misunderstanding. There is in fact no "joke" at all in my comments, only a pair of metaphors common in English. When you say someone has an "appetite" for something, that's simply a way of saying they like it. Nothing to do with eating. Similarly, saying that some people "eat something up" when no food is involved is simply another way of saying they utterly enjoy it with no reservations of any kind. It's fascinating to me how metaphors can come out completely different when moving from one language to another. Reminds me of the Tokyo POTC. I'm told that when they translated the show script, they were unable to formulate in Japanese anything equivalent to English "Dead men tell no tales." They finally gave up in despair and went with a completely different slogan.

  4. The Birds;
    Weren’t the bats toping the poles holding the chains in the changing portrait hall originally going to be parrots?

    1. More likely some kind of bird of prey, like an eagle or hawk.

  5. Love this blog and the Tiki Room/HM post...

  6. I'll never forget the first time I went to the Tropical Serenade as a kid, and the totem pole behind me "came to life." I thought I was going to jump right out of my seat! Great post connecting the two attractions.

  7. If you listen to the Adventureland track of "Another Musical Souvenir of WDW" produced by FoxxFur, she writes in her extended notes that, "The restoration of Magic Kingdom's Tiki Room to its original show in late 2011 allowed for a new Assisted Listening Device induction microphone capture of the Eleanor Audley vocals which began the show from 1971 to 1998." These lines are eerily similar to Madame Leota's. Would be interesting to find out when they were recorded.

  8. Great post. I never thought about the connection between the designs of The Tiki Room and The Haunted Mansion before. This makes me think a little about the tiki/totem pole-like nature of the quicksand stretching portrait and the lost safari explorers and rhino gag on the Jungle Cruise. All of this is coincidence of course but you never know what will inspire people.

  9. Love that final Rolly Crump drawing of a menacing plant in handsome hand-thrown pottery (ba-dum-DUM) … is the plant actually watering itself? Talk about demonic - it doesn’t need you to care for it anymore, its outgrowing all that now!