Things You're Just Supposed to Know

Most of the time, Long-Forgotten assumes that readers are already familiar with basic facts
about the Haunted Mansion. If you wanna keep up with the big boys, I suggest you check out
first of all the website, After that, the best place to go is Jason Surrell's book,
The Haunted Mansion: Imagineering a Disney Classic (NY: Disney Editions; 2015). That's the
re-named third edition of The Haunted Mansion: From the Magic Kingdom to the Movies (NY:
Disney Editions, 2003; 2nd ed. 2009). Also essential reading is Jeff Baham's The Unauthorized
Story of Walt Disney's Haunted Mansion (USA: Theme Park Press, 2014; 2nd ed. 2016).

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Monday, January 11, 2016

Thanks a Million! (Plus, Changing the Changing Portrait Hall, Part Four)

Long-Forgotten has now been visited one million times. So I owe all of you out there in the blogosphere a million thanks. It's humbling and ego-inflating at the same time. Just plain mind-boggling.

With these victory-lap type posts, I always try to include some bona-fide Mansionology as well. Around here lately, it's all been about the New View of the changing portrait hall. It's clear now that it was a circumscribed show scene, like the stretching room before it and the foyer before that. Well, here are still more observations on the subject.

The Enchanted Foyer Room

I should have pointed out last time that we already had evidence that the foyer was originally going to be a carefully circumscribed little show unto itself, because we know that for a long time there was going to be an animated bust in the corner, springing to life and talking at us (probably as the Ghost Host himself).

For a short time, the bust was changed out for the raven before the whole idea was scratched. 

We talked about all of that before. The only new point here is to acknowledge how perfectly all of this fits into the New View. With the
raven in there, perched up in the corner and engaged in conversation, the foyer would have been reminiscent of the Enchanted Tiki Room.

"A Tour of My Home"

Many of you will recognize that as a quote from the "Story and Song from the Haunted Mansion" souvenir album. Foxxfur, mistress of the Passport to Dreams Old and New blog, informs us that "in the old days at DL and MK, very often Disney would not schedule a cast member dedicated to the position at the head of the load belt, instead allowing the Stretch CM to walk guests to the load belt, load them, then go back for the next group. At MK this often involved opening the doors to the Foyer as well."  We see in this that the tour guide mentality of the original walk-thru concept persisted into the finished attraction, more evidence that nicely fits the new revelations about how the changing portrait hall was going to be shown to the guests. We're talking about a show concept going all the way back to 1957. Somewhere Ken Anderson is smiling.

Caws and Effect

I remarked last time that (1) we have no recorded traces of any Ghost Host monologue to go with the six-panel changing portrait show, as well as the fact that (2) the narration to the "Story & Song" album refers to the portraits as changing with the lightning flashes, both facts indicating that the six-panel idea was scotched by spring of 1969 at the latest. What I failed to note is that there ARE remnants of a missing show in exactly this location. While the narration for the S & S album is late (spring 1969), the basic script being followed throughout is older, going back to a 1968 X Atencio show script. (That's what explains the numerous discrepancies between the album and the actual ride.)

In the ride as it is, the raven doesn't put in an appearance until the Conservatory scene, but in earlier versions, the bird was ubiquitous. As we have seen, for a time it was going to be right there in the foyer. What it would have said, we don't know, but it was also slated to appear in the next scene, the stretching gallery. As many of you know, after the hanging corpse was revealed, the raven would have squawked and mocked the Ghost Host for choosing the coward's way out.

Most likely the raven would have been up there in the rafters, opposite the corpse. This is a reasonable enough guess in itself, and the illustration used for the children's souvenir record seems to support it.

According to the S & S album, however, the raven sits on a bookcase. I've tried to visualize a bookcase down on the floor of the room . . . 

. . . but more likely they had in mind furniture up in the attic, in some such manner as we see in Anderson's old concept artwork for the scene.

"Did Someone Scream?"

Let's pick up the narrative from the Story & Song album at this point.

Narrator: Lightning flashed from above the room, illuminating the attic area. There seemed to be no roof. From the rafters a corpse swayed, dangling from a taut rope. < Fluttering wings > A black raven flew into the room and perched on the bookcase.

Raven: Caw! Caw! Coward's way out! He chose the coward's way out! Caw! Caw! Caw!

Narrator: The candles Mike held went out mysteriously. Karen clutched his hand during what seemed to be an endless darkness. In a few seconds, the candles re-lit. < Wall panel sliding open > A panel opened exposing a dimly lit hall. On the left side were windows revealing a grotesque landscape, frequently illuminated by the lightning flashes. On the opposite side of the corridor were large portraits. When the lightning flashed, these paintings turned into decaying corpses.

Karen: We should never have come in here! < Fluttering wings, then Karen screams > What's that?!?

Mike: It's okay . . . it's just that raven.

Ghost Host: Did someone scream? Ah . . . we didn't mean to frighten you prematurely. Apparently, the restless spirit of an old nag has taken possession of that poor, wretched raven's mortal being. Be on your guard . . . it may want to better itself! < Evil chuckle > Come along, now . . . 

Narrator: Mike and Karen walked down the long tapering corridor. There seemed to be a light at the far end, pitch blackness behind them. The hallway made a sharp turn into an eerily-lit limbo of boundless mist and decay.

And it's on to the next scene. A story element here that may have been part of the 1968 plans for the changing portrait hall is the business about the raven. By now the audience is really beginning to wonder what's up with that bird. Something like an explanation is needed, and something like an explanation is supplied. The scream that kicks off the conversation could have been part of the soundtrack. The lack of explicit reference to the changing portraits may reflect the Imagineers' intent to change them out from time to time (and why not?), since we know that they had many more than just five ready to go. If they were going to vary, the GH would hardly be expected to comment on them too closely.

Where would the raven have been located? Several possibilities suggest themselves. One possibility is the far end of the hallway, to our left of the male follow-you bust. That's quite a roomy corner, actually.

pic by Scourge 999

pic by Nenya

However, there's nothing in the scale model of the ride to suggest such a location.

A better possibility is on a corbel or cornice above and between the two elevator doors—exactly as the raven would have been placed in the foyer, actually. With a nice, deep corbel, the bird wouldn't be visible until guests were well into the room and looked back.

However, the only location that has even a thin scrap of visual evidence in its favor is right outside one of the windows. That's where Ken Anderson imagined it, and that's where the artwork for the children's record puts it also.

If the usual patter about the Mansion as a retirement community were used either before or after the little conversation about the raven, there would perhaps be enough time for the changing portrait show to silently proceed without comment. I don't like the way the animated gif from the last post looks, with all five cycling simultaneously. People wouldn't follow any of the stories through, being distracted by the changes taking place in all the other pictures. I'm more inclined to think they would change one by one in a soft, domino effect, until all five were finished.

And there you have it.


  1. The actual line as heard on the Story & Song album is "CAW! CAW! The coward's way out! He chose the coward's way out! CAW! CAW! CAW!" (one "The" is missing). It was voiced by Robie Lester who also voiced Karen and narrated the HM "SEE, HEAR, READ" record. There is also another recording of the Raven's Stretch Room line mixed in with some other unused HM recording session outtakes. Not sure who it was, but it appears to have been voiced by a man.

  2. Very interesting as usual !

    This is off-topic, but it could be that of another post, or at least of an answer. I'm perplex about this:

    It looks to be one of the Graveyard Ghosts and it is identified (or MISidentified, that's what I'd like to know from you !) as our dear old friend the Sea Captain. What do you think ?

    1. As the photographer correctly says, this member of the tea party group is identified as the sea captain by Surrell and Baxter. Surrell likely got this from Baxter, so the identification really only goes back to Tony. I'm sorry, but he's just plain wrong. There is nothing whatsoever about the figure that would suggest anything nautical. In the original Davis concept artwork, he's got a Peter-Pan-ish hat with a feathered plume. His shoes are plainly medieval in style and unlike anything any sailor would ever have worn. On blueprints he is simply "figure seated on rock." I don't know how Baxter ever got the notion into his head that this was a sea captain.

    2. Thank you. As for where he got that idea, I think it's all about the hat. At least seen from the front like on this picture, the hat looks similar to that of the Sea Captain in the painting.

  3. Great post!

    I was at Disneyland today and noticed a few things. Number one, the berm graveyard location now has a...wall? And the ride itself seems a little too...lit. Might just be me though. Any explanations or ideas?

    1. No one knows what's going on on the berm. Some people think the walls are new and permanent elements, while others (including yours truly) think they are temporary and hiding some new effects being installed.

  4. Congrats on over 1000000 views! As a fellow Haunted Mansion aficionado I would also like to thank you for your blog. I have used the information on your extensively for my Lego MOC of the Haunted Mansion. I thought the attraction would make a great Lego model and you can see it at Lego Ideas if you are interested.

  5. Love this post (as always)! Longtime reader and fan - this blog has terrific insights and makes me appreciate one of my favorite attractions even more.

    Have you checked out the new app Disney Crossy Road - it features a Haunted Mansion level and characters!

  6. Hello, I believe I have found something interesting.[[ this panel]] from 1953's "Beware" #15 features two ghost heads which look incredibly similar to two well-known Pop-up Ghosts.

  7. Replies
    1. Thanks. It isn't dead, just hibernating until I've got something good. There are a few ideas kicking around out there.

    2. Glad to know it. Speaking of which (though it might already be among your ideas…?), do you have anything interesting about the Coffin Occupant? Like, what were the inspirations for this gag? Do we have concept art of it? If the house has been long abandoned, why is a coffin still in the house as if during a wake?

  8. Have you seen?! The berm graveyard has returned!!!! With a few interesting new additions I don't quite understand. New post time?

  9. Just a heads up, but it seems Hatbox Ghost has been updated.

    Now when his head disappears, instead of seeing blackness, we can see the WALL and lights behind him under his top hat, before his head re-appears. It's a great illusion!

    1. That seems unlikely, since the collar of his overcoat is upturned and extends beyond his hat brim. If there was anything to see in the space where his head was, it should simply be the inside of his cloak.